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Landlord79 Well, things are definitely running better here at the end of the month. I recouped my online losses and am now in the positive for online play. In fact, I've recovered everything except 4 buyins of the Live $200NL losses that I took at the first of this month. I made it back into the black on Tuesday, but I had a session that put me into the clear on Thursday night. I only played an hour or so, but was able to pick up a little more than 2.5 buyins at $100NL. Here are the main 2 winning hands from last night, one is an auto call, the other is very close. In fact, I was so unsure of the quality of my decision w/ the Qs, that I posted it on 2+2 for review. The consensus was to call and let the variance sort it out.

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($122.02)
Landlord79 ($100.00)
MP1 ($158.00)
MP2 ($25.25)
MP3 ($104.25)
CO ($126.75)
Button ($127.00)
SB ($106.75)
BB ($97.21)

Preflop: Landlord79 is UTG+1 with A , A .
1 fold, Landlord79 raises to $4, 5 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) A , 7 , K (2 players)
SB bets $102.75 (All-In), Landlord79 calls $96 (All-In).

Turn: ($207.75) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($207.75) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $207.75

Results in white below:
SB has T K (three of a kind, kings).
Landlord79 has A A (full house, aces full of kings).
Outcome: Landlord79 wins $201. SB wins $6.75.

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BB is 54/20/1.8
UTG is 64/15/2

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($47.50)
SB ($126.75)
BB ($162.35)
UTG ($174.80)
Hero ($108.00)
MP1 ($100.00)
MP2 ($160.95)
MP3 ($61.25)
CO ($88.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , Q .
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.5 , 6 folds, BB calls $3.50, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($14) K , 4 , Q (3 players)
BB bets $14, UTG bets $170.3 (All-In), Hero ????

Here are some of the better comments:

-enjoy the variance
-2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP
-Someone with a very high VPIP is seeing a ton of flops, and most of the time he's going to have nothing on the flop. It's harder to bet/raise when you have air or weak draws most of the time.
-Well it's really hard to play "hit or miss" when you have a VPIP over 50%. Quite often they hit something like mid pair, top pair no kicker, or draws, which they're not folding, but not raising either because they're calling stations.
-Usually players with higher VPIP tend to have lower AF, but it can vary from player to player. Some uber-nits have huge AF's because they play so few hands that they have overpairs and sets a large% of the time when they show strength.
Really loose players tend to have low AF's because they flop hands that they are likely to call with, rather than raise with. If someone has BOTH a huge VPIP and a huge AF, they are basically maniacs who are trying to win every pot. You can stack off against them with really weak made hands because they will usually have worse.


Special thanks to Bottomset and Sabr42 from 2+2 for these great responses.

This was my response to their feedback and the results of that hand:

My understanding of VPIP vs AF has deepened. Thank you master Bottomset and master Sabr42!

I never really thought out the fact of how hard it is to have a high VPIP and maintain a high AF. My path to learning still lies ahead of me.

FYI, I put the BB on 44 and the UTG 50% on a made flush, 50% on a random hand like TP. His limp call really perplexed me, so he was on a wide range. I put no one on KK for the higher set due to there not being a 3 bet pf which any sensible human being would have done in the UTG's spot and either of them would have done w/ their high pfr%'s.

Results: I called, BB folded, UTG turned over 8 -7 for the made flush. Turn is a brick and the river pairs the 4 FTW!!! BB admitted in the chat box that he had the 3rd best hand here with top 2 pair.

Landlord theorem holds strong that on a 3 suited flop, donk overbets = strong made hands. I did see one exception last night, a guy donk overbet w/ a str8 flush draw, but that's relatively equal to a strong made hand.

Comments

EdmondDantes says

Hmm. I need to have another player to push into me with 2nd pair, no kicker when I was holding top set and then hit my 10-outer at the river for another 1.5 buy-ins. FWIW, I call that shove with the set of Qs. At worst, it's a made flush and at best, it's A Kx. I call and let the math sort it out. Feel free to email me the screen name of the first player!

09/21/07

Mr_Taterhead says

I WANT MY LUCKBOX BACK NOW!!!!!!!

09/23/07

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