Suckout, or odds draw?
by TylerDurden on 09/10/07
So, after work yesterday, I went to go play some cards at my local dog track. Not feeling like buying in short to the various NL games (it seemed like everyone had a couple buyins in front of them, and I hate playing short), I sat down in the only limit game spread in the state, $2-$4 (yeah, yeah, I know, tiny. State law limits the bets to $5 in limit, so it's what they can spread. Deal.). The following hand came up when we were 9-handed:I'm on the SB, dealt 4
5. Everyone limps, I complete, the BB checks. That's $15 in the pot after rake and jackpot.The flop comes A
2
7
.I check, the BB, a fairly predictable rock, bets out, 4 callers (gotta love low limit, hopes and prayers are worth a call!), 3 folds, and it's a $2 bet into a $24 pot (after rake) to me. 12:1 for a gutshot, backdoor flush (albeit a bad one), and implied odds after that? Sure, $2 is good for 11:1 odds. The SB folds, and we see the turn 6-handed in a $26 pot. (Note: I did not raise here to build a pot for a turn draw as that has been done earlier, and it caused a pretty good clearing of the table; I'd have likely forced everyone but the BB out, thus killing my odds play. Were I in late position, rather than the SB, I'd consider it.).
The turn is the 6
. All of a sudden my hand looks pretty good -- 6 straight outs, 9 flush outs. I check, the BB bets out, there's a caller (who has me slightly worried that he's on a flush draw with something like 8
9, but he could also have 7x), everyone else folds and it's $4 into a $33 pot to me. 8.5:1 pot odds, I'm delighted, it's just under 7:1 for my straight, and just over 2:1 if my flush is good. Call. 3-handed, $37 pot.River, a 3
. I've got the nuts. I check, BB bets, the in-between caller folds, I raise, BB thinks about it, says "you can't have been drawing with 45," and calls."Nope, I wasn't drawing with 45. I was drawing with 45 suited." He mucks his cards (probably Ax), and begins bitching about how you can't keep the drawing hands out.
Which is true -- when the drawing hand isn't riding on the schooling effect of fish. Pull a good pot ($52, of which $16 was mine), AND put the player to my left on tilt, what isn't to like?
Comments
EdmondDantes says
One for the good guys. Nice!09/10/07
Anonymous says
That's limit , you gotta take a peek at the turn and when you did, you had plenty of outs. If people complain they should play higher stakes limit or NL. First it was speculation or boredom, then it was an odds call.09/10/07
lakong says
He was right... in limit it's very difficult to keep the drawing hands out for the reasons you demonstrate.09/10/07
Anonymous says
Hey that's what limit is all about!! After sneaking a look at the peek, you still had mucho options with outs. Let people put up with some serious no limit if they want to whine. In the end it's an odds call so that's what's up.10/16/07
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